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map-scan

Maybe someone with an overview on the topic can determine if this scan of an 1890s map, recently uploaded to commons, can be useful:

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Because of the nature of this article, and the wide range of history on this topic. I think it should be classified as a High to Mid importance article. Trey Wainman (talk) 08:02, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Trey Wainman Its already listed as a Top Importance Dcheagle • talk • contribs 08:05, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I was referring to the WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America rating. Trey Wainman (talk) 08:08, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Political status of the Indian Territory

Since the U.S. constitution applied fully to the Louisiana Purchase (and by extension, the land that would later be designated Indian Territory) after its acquisition from France, and there was no doctrine of territorial incorporation prior to the Insular Cases, the article should state that the Indian Territory was an incorporated and unorganized territory. FlamencoReturns (talk) 20:55, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You're reading it wrong. Unless you have a citation that says otherwise, the autonomous indian tribes were not "incorporated" into the US until 1906, when the territory ceased to exist and was united with the country. What article three does state is that they will be incorporated at the earliest possible time. It was a promise for the future, not an existing fact, made to assuage Congress. GenQuest ^"scribble" 18:33, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think you may be discussing this with different frames of references for the same terms. The US clearly considered all of the area obtained through the Louisiana Purchase as sovereign territory of the United States starting in 1804. They also clearly did not incorporate Indian Territory into the United States until 1906. Those statements only contradict each other in normal, human English, not the nightmare that is International Legalese. Someone born in Indian Territory (like my husband's aunt) was born in a place owned and run by the US, but she was not born in the United States (something that was delightful to hear her explain to government clerks). I do not think that the encyclopaedia would be improved by trying to get into that in this article, but I wouldn't be upset to lose that argument. Cheers, Last1in (talk) 20:56, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Confusing Maps

All of the maps are confusing in this article, but the one in the infobox is perhaps the most frustrating. Most (like the one in the infobox) show 'Indian Territory and Oklahoma [Territory]', but none of them tell which is which. There is a bright red line down the middle, but is Indian Territory to the west or the east of that line? Could someone who knows clarify the description with something like, 'The Oklahoma (left) and Indian Territories (right) in 1890', please? Cheers, Last1in (talk) 13:37, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The western portion of the map was labelled "Oklahoma", although it was a bit hard to see especially as a thumbnail. I've update the caption. older ≠ wiser 14:15, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Cheers, Last1in (talk) 15:23, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]